Rules Question (Read 835 times)

[bosox]

May 9, 2011 10:42:52 GMT -8 @gododgers said:

I can live with whatever-but I assure you for the record I have never had an abandoned bid, and just didn't finsih here, I added him to my roster and used him in yahoo

My error and I have dropped the player but-it was a clerical error only and a technicality not and ABANDONED BID

I know the Rangers would never break a rule if it can at all be helped.

it is a pity this happened and that he is no rule breaker,just a dumbo, ;D

[Bobby]

1. I can't see this as anything other than an abandoned bid.
The fact that he was added to the Rangers roster is irrelevant. Signings take place in the UFA and RFA boards. Had I noticed it, I would have told him to remove him from his roster and Yahoo.
He was not signed in the required 5 day period.

2. Bidding again on abandoned players, without a waiver period, is a new concept which could be a rule for next year if we want to change an EXISTING rule and hurt the teams with waiver priority.

The issue is which week priority governs.

Is it when the 5 days end or when the waive is posted? Can the Commish slow or fast post to affect the priority?

[Deleted]

May 9, 2011 12:19:40 GMT -8 Bobby said:

1. I can't see this as anything other than an abandoned bid.
The fact that he was added to the Rangers roster is irrelevant. Signings take place in the UFA and RFA boards. Had I noticed it, I would have told him to remove him from his roster and Yahoo.
He was not signed in the required 5 day period.

2. Bidding again on abandoned players, without a waiver period, is a new concept which could be a rule for next year if we want to change an EXISTING rule and hurt the teams with waiver priority.

The issue is which week priority governs.

Is it when the 5 days end or when the waive is posted? Can the Commish slow or fast post to affect the priority?

Can a bid be abandoned if the player is added to the roster and yahoo?

Is this addressed in the rules?

Has an ADANDONED bid ever been also added to a roster and in yahoo? It has right? and then the player was added to the Cubs roster when it occured

Rules change depending on who needs/wants the player

but my mistake and it won't happen again

[Deleted]

Hey and as a side note this was my error and I have dropped the player-

hate it being called a adandoned bid though..i just freakin forogt!!!

[Giants]

The period starts once the player is waived, not when the 5 days are up. The commish has always been the one to state and initiate the 5 day rule, so the period starts once the commish posts the waived player.

You can't waive a player at 1:13 a.m. Monday and then use the previous weeks waiver order.

[Deleted]

May 9, 2011 12:30:47 GMT -8 @gododgers said:

Hey and as a side note this was my error and I have dropped the player-

hate it being called a adandoned bid though..i just freakin forogt!!!

rangers is an abandoner...

[Bobby]

I don't have specific memory of previous abandoned bids or who were the owners, just that there have been some. I remember posting several sign and waive abandoned bids. If I notice a player on a Yahoo roster without a signing, I would use my power and remove him. But, I do not check Yahoo rosters for compliance. I used to regularly check rosters here, but I asked someone else to take over in that area for me. Obviously, my ability to oversee here is waning.

[Deleted]

painful A's-painful

[Bobby]

Justin, so if I knew I was falling from 10th to 14th, and waited to Monday to post the waive so that I could have priority and get him, you would have no problem with it at all. I could manipulate the time in my favor. Interesting.

[Deleted]

Humber is my error-I have dropped him

deciphering the rule here..appears cloudy

[Giants]

May 9, 2011 12:50:34 GMT -8 Bobby said:

Justin, so if I knew I was falling from 10th to 14th, and waited to Monday to post the waive so that I could have priority and get him, you would have no problem with it at all. I could manipulate the time in my favor. Interesting.

I would have a problem with that.

However, I also have a problem going back and using last weeks waiver priority when a player was waived on a Monday.

The easiest fix would be to re-open Humber up for bidding.

[Deleted]

or give him back to me sine it was a technical error

c'mon please

[Bobby]

An example:

You are in 14th place but on Sunday you see that will you be moving up on Monday. A player becomes abandoned late Sunday evening. You PM the Commish re the abandonment. The Commish doesn't sign in til after midnight to do the sign and waive. The waive is done Monday at 1am.
So tough luck to that 14th place team? Waive is too late for him?

[Bobby]

I'll be out the rest of the day.

[Giants]

May 9, 2011 14:24:05 GMT -8 Bobby said:

An example:

You are in 14th place but on Sunday you see that will you be moving up on Monday. A player becomes abandoned late Sunday evening. You PM the Commish re the abandonment. The Commish doesn't sign in til after midnight to do the sign and waive. The waive is done Monday at 1am.
So tough luck to that 14th place team? Waive is too late for him?

Tough luck unless we make a rule change and state that the player goes back into bidding.

You can't make a claim on a waived player until that player is waived. So if a player is waived early Monday morning when the waiver order resets, so be it. You can't use last weeks waiver order because it's the start of the new week.

I know it would benefit you to use last week's order because you were in 14th place and you want Humber. And I know it would benefit the Mets because he's now in 14th place and wants Humber. The fairest way would be to allow the player to re-enter bidding and the team with the abandonment is charged with a one year bid on whatever his winning bid was.

If not, you have to go by the waive date. The waive date was Monday morning, which means its a new week and there is a new waiver order.