Rules for 2012- Waived Guys (Read 107 times)

[Bobby]

From the peanut gallery:


1. A newly signed player (in UFA Bidding) must be rostered for a minimum of 3 days before being waived.

This would reduce the 'sign and waive' clearing of other's bad contracts. It seemed to really get out of hand this last season.

and/or

2. Limit the number of players 'waived but still paying' to a specific number.

[bosox]

1. agree all the way.

2. agree,i think 12 is plenty

[hawkeye5]

Agree

[Deleted]

agree

[Deleted]

Is this a Ranger rule?

;-)

[Deleted]

either way 5-10 is a good max

[Deleted]

I am good with whatever being new and all

[lewjo]

2 first - I am ok with a limit - but what about those entering 2012 with players already on that waived list

(eg Rockies' Scott Kazmir was to be 41st or 42nd player. WIth roster sizes capped at 40, he's destined to become permanently waived throughout 2012)

Some allowance would be appreciated, say the limit plus the bums leftover from pre 2012?

1. There are 2 legitimate reasons to waive a UFA just signed:
-You sign the guy then execute a trade that forces you to drop a player.
- A hot prospect is bid on during the season by more than 1 team and partway during the bidding process he suffers a season ending injury.

What about
i) subject to appeal to commish/league?
ii) during the 3 days after he is signed (or deemed signed), cannot bid on any other UFA's (but can sign a previously waived player. If Rockies just sign a SS who cannot play, and they waived a SS to be able to make the bid, they could re-sign the old SS, waive the just signed SS to make room)
iii) can only waive as a result of bona fide trade or injury
iv) a combination of ii and iii

[Giants]

I'm fine with leaving the rule as it is. It's roster management. With that said, I can also see everyone's point about it getting out of hand last year. But, I think what a team does to his/her roster is their business. Lewjo brings up some good points that I agree with. I like iv.

[hawkeye5]

I like Bobby's proposal

[bosox]

Lewjo's reasons are some of why we should have limits.
it is easy to just keep adding and waiving without risk or penalty.

if you have extra cash it is the oh why not if the prospect sucks or the player sucks i can just waive him no big deal.

or you add a iffy guy he gets hurt no big deal just waive him or someone waives a good player that is injured get high bid,waive him knowing he will not be claimed,and then add him later for the next season.

this is why this was brought up,to eliminate easy outs and no risk and make owners actually think.

i do see the point of players waived before this rule if it is accepted and counting towards to limit.
perhaps we do a 1 time thing where you can dump the player but the contract stays under John Doe and does not count against your player count.

[Bobby]

I think this suggestion was made as an attempt to cut down/or eliminate the contract clearing which was so rampant.


A. If there were a limit, it could be limited to $1/1/1 guys, which would exempt any holdovers you are currently paying as a $1 contract wouldn't make it to the next year.

B. Perhaps the 'must roster for 3 days' should only apply to bids made on others' waived guys and given a 1/1/1. A player not on a waived list could be signed and waived immediately. And any player signed to a multiyear contract (1/3/2 or 1/2/2 or above) would also be exempt.

This wouldn't eliminate clearing, but it makes it a bit more difficult to do it.

[lewjo]

Bobby your suggestion for B is brilliant.

I am quite happy with that.

Your suggestion for A is ok.

On one hand, the idea of the cap is you get to spend your money as foolishly as you want.

On the other, I hear the concerns of the other owners.

If the limit were X + players waived with pre-2012 set contracts I could live with that too.

[Bobby]

I agree with the thoughts above that if you got the $, you should be able to sign and waive all the players you want.

Commish rules: No change. No limit on the number of waived players.

Commish rules: In an effort to cut the volume of contract clearing: If you clear another teams' waivered player and he is signed to a 1/1/1 contract, the player must be rostered for 72 hours.
Roster space being lowered to 40 this year, this may often require another player to be waived.